The key point of all i'm saying is that risk \ profit ballance should work both ways. Building something big, costly and demanding should give players some advantages. Before this summer is was DPS to structures, ratting support, home defense support etc. With the changes outlined in citadels dev blog and this capital ships rework dev blog it still feels like there's no actual sense in owning capital ship and having 2-3 years old char just to pilot it decently. I'd be happy if you prove me wrong with actual numbers CCP but as i said this is how i see upcoming changes based on my experience with EVE Online.

My old "suitcase" carrier did not need them. Was part of my point. Maybe I should gank miners and freighters in high sec to prove my point :)

capitals were never meant to be able to do pve

Just out of curiosity: where does that myth actually come from?
I mean, it's obviously wrong because the Sleepless Guardians wouldn't drop loot if they were just there to prevent you from warping in caps, so why do people keep saying that?

Effort savings, most likely. It's a lot easier to re-use an existing NPC than to design a new one with a separate loot table. They probably didn't expect players to be able to survive six to eight Sleepless Guardians at once.

The estimated DPS from the high angle weapon batteries seems really low. How does this not still leave dreadnoughts worse off than carriers in fleet combat? You're giving carriers all this combat versatility with squadrons, and dreads get battleship DPS? WTF.

A 60 second timer is not going to solve the swiss army knife refit problem for capitals.

What happened to the idea that structure bashing is super boring? Seems like CCP has given up on that, and boredom tanking with citadels will still be a thing. Also, can't wait for the thousands of abandoned citadels to pile up in low class WH space because you can put them anywhere and caps can't get in to bash them.

On the HAW tracking:

I believe it should be closer to cruiser level ish tracking speeds.... battleships (or even tier 3 battlecruisers) are not renowned for shooting frigates on the move...

You have a source for that? Don't think I've seen any numbers for the packaged volume of citadels.

After sleeping with it. I'd actually prefer each individual fighter to have its own HP, like fighters in homeworld do: we choose squad, target squad, and they all end up shooting one of the hostile squad, but they can choose a different one and so multiple fighters can take damage at a time. Also, AOE.
And yeah, cost.

P. S. and yeah, I think it actually looks better now when you allowed refitting to everyone, than to remove it completely. Caps still get killed, just leave it as is.

So now if a carrier pilot wants to do DPS to anything other than frigates/drones/other fighter squadrons they will have to train a 3million SP skill up to 5 before they're allowed. Great design.

Um, what changes, if I have N+1 Force Auxiliary ships in my fleet? Still N+1 gameplay, not that this is a bad thing. Many battles start with assumption that the other side has less, only later to discover that the other side has more friends.

I think he was moaning about fighter bombers potentially becoming needed for carrier pilots...at least that is the best I can make of it.

And if that were the case that is a bit of a PITA for a lot of people.

Sooooo....Goodbye ratting carriers?

Not only will the micro required to manage fighters be more trouble than it's worth, fighters will also be confined to grid and won't follow you in warp, which, lets face it, is currently the best thing about them.

Otherwise, interesting changes I guess.

Damn you mean the week I just spent moving ships to Khanid, in a SUITCASE carrier - Isn't what I was doing?
Some of us have no choice but to live with fatigue and do things the old fashioned way.
Can't afford to fire sale everything when moving so have to do it the only other way I can. Of course it means not actually playing the game for a week.
Fatigue is just plain bad as is the extent of jump range nerfs but CCP don't care about the individual or smaller group, it is all about the game breaking blobs.

Again, CCP not considering the smaller groups - removing the RR role from carriers simply makes smaller groups less effective in battle.

No problem with it being nothing more than a drone boat, except it removes a lot of its usefulness for anyone not in Goons or PL..

When ignoring and boring your enemy to death is your only option to get them to leave (or be forced to pay them as PL tried to inflict on at least one small alliance in Querious recently) It doesn't make for interesting game play. CCP is handing the elitists a win win with these changes.

and judging by some of the Dev responses here - They know that is what they are doing.. CCP Larrikin is no true Aussie, his forefathers would hang their heads in shame. (if your not an Aussie you will not understand my last comment - Hopefully he will)

..... because, no remote reps + refitting timers = biggest blob wins (won't have to be a capital bob either - sub caps are getting an open ticket to killing capitals).

Go back to school, do some math and learn what + - & = signs mean, PLEASE. Then try reading what the quote says.